Finding Your Spine

Fables That Restore American Courage and Imagination

Herzog Foundation Episode 67

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Dr. Matthew Mehan, associate dean and associate professor of government at Hillsdale College’s Van Andel Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., discusses The American Book of Fables and why stories still form citizens. A scholar of literature, rhetoric, and civic education, Mehan argues that arguments alone are not enough. People also need images that teach them to love courage, self-government, and the land. He explains how the book weaves fables, nursery rhymes, founding letters, and frontier accounts across 13 American regions, each tied to a phrase from the Declaration of Independence. 


The conversation ranges from the New England Primer and the Columbian Orator to Daniel Boone, wagon trains at Council Grove, and the difference between liberty and law on the Great Plains. Mehan warns that cozy, softened children’s literature has drained grit from the American imagination, while rival narratives rush in to replace our history. He calls for gratitude to forebears, discernment about the images we give children, and a frontier spirit aimed not only west, but east—toward recultivating American towns, checking foreign threats, and forming tough citizens for the next three centuries.


00:00:00 – Introduction

00:00:28 – Why Fables Matter

00:02:03 – Literature and Civic Education

00:03:29 – Teaching Mind and Heart

00:04:00 – Stories That Shape Children

00:05:13 – Settlement and Revolution

00:06:02 – Courage at the Backbone

00:07:37 – Primer and Columbian Orator

00:08:50 – Recapturing American Grit

00:10:48 – Declaration as Framework

00:12:08 – Toughness of the Pioneers

00:14:12 – Recapturing Frontier Spirit

00:16:56 – Americanizing the Fable

00:19:35 – Imagination Against Softness

00:21:46 – Daniel Boone’s Sacrifice

00:24:26 – True Stories Versus False Ones

00:25:43 – History Contains a Story

00:28:43 – Hidden Nursery Rhyme Meanings

00:31:26 – Losing Touch With Origins

00:31:33 – Face East and Stay Tough

00:33:58 – Conquer or Be Conquered

00:36:19 – Unchanging Principles of Justice

00:37:26 – War for the Sake of Peace

00:39:33 – Raising the Literary Standard

00:40:25 – Discerning Books and Images

00:42:07 – Wit Married to Wisdom

You can find out more about Dr. Mehan here: https://dc.hillsdale.edu/Profiles/Matthew-Mehan/

You can order The American Book of Fables here: https://www.amazon.com/American-Book-Fables-Matthew-Mehan/dp/B0G1XYVC54

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